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		<title>By: A Dissertation&#8217;s Infancy: The Geography of the Post &#171; historying</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Dissertation&#8217;s Infancy: The Geography of the Post &#171; historying]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] generosity brings me back to my ongoing personal commitment to scholarly sharing. I plan on making the dissertation process as open as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] generosity brings me back to my ongoing personal commitment to scholarly sharing. I plan on making the dissertation process as open as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comps! Comps! Comps, Comps, Comps! &#124; M A R K S I S M</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Comps! Comps! Comps, Comps, Comps! &#124; M A R K S I S M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] were helpful in thinking through some of the issues I might have. He also has an awesome post about what he did with all those book summaries after passing [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] were helpful in thinking through some of the issues I might have. He also has an awesome post about what he did with all those book summaries after passing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Blevins</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cameron Blevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew,

Thanks for the thoughtful comment! Great point about the problems related to archival material with regards to public domain and copyright, something that gets quite tricky quite fast. This also reinforces my comment regarding that I know just enough about these issues to know just how little I know about them. Of course it does remind me of Roy Rosenzweig and Dan Cohen&#039;s calls in &lt;i&gt;Digital History&lt;/i&gt; for academics to not be so overly cautious about copyright and fair use.

-Cameron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful comment! Great point about the problems related to archival material with regards to public domain and copyright, something that gets quite tricky quite fast. This also reinforces my comment regarding that I know just enough about these issues to know just how little I know about them. Of course it does remind me of Roy Rosenzweig and Dan Cohen&#8217;s calls in <i>Digital History</i> for academics to not be so overly cautious about copyright and fair use.</p>
<p>-Cameron</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-926</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really do hope that the humanities develops more of a culture of sharing, but I think progress is likely to vary quite a bit, especially with respect to the type of work that gets shared. Book summaries and notes aren&#039;t just technically easier to put online - being just text, for the most part - they also have a couple of other advantages. 

First, books are more or less standard, discrete units, and you can standardize how you cite and refer to them - perhaps using Ben&#039;s suggestion of the LCCN, or for articles a DOI (though I think these are less common in the humanities). I imagine it would be possible for people to individually post their reviews on their own sites and then someone could come up with a way to crawl those pages and aggregate links to reviews in some more central location. Or people could post links back to their own reviews on a site set up to make it easy to link books with reviews. I&#039;m sure there are other relatively simple alternative ways of doing this.

Second, book reviews, while not original in the scholarship sense, are original to the review author. You have the right to post your own content. I suspect the only way there would be a real potential problem is if you posted excerpts that were way beyond fair use.

The situation is different, and more difficult, when you get to posting images and transcriptions of sources. I suspect archivists would worry as much, possibly more, about the rights issue than the formatting/documentation issue in this case. Generally, copies you make in an archive - photocopies, photos, etc. - are supposed to be for your own research use. If they&#039;re public domain, it may be ok to post them anyway. But a lot of stuff isn&#039;t public domain and in many cases the archives are not the rightsholders and would not be able to grant you permission to post your copies online. Arguably, people are overly cautious about this kind of thing, but it&#039;s a real concern.

That said, I do think there is potential for sharing information about collections even in the absence of being able to post images/transcriptions. Researchers could write up summaries of their individual source collections and refer back to the archives where the originals can be found. These could be like finding aids, but simplified and individualized to an extent. I think it is much less common for researchers to do that as a routine part of their workflow, but I think it would be a very useful thing to have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do hope that the humanities develops more of a culture of sharing, but I think progress is likely to vary quite a bit, especially with respect to the type of work that gets shared. Book summaries and notes aren&#8217;t just technically easier to put online &#8211; being just text, for the most part &#8211; they also have a couple of other advantages. </p>
<p>First, books are more or less standard, discrete units, and you can standardize how you cite and refer to them &#8211; perhaps using Ben&#8217;s suggestion of the LCCN, or for articles a DOI (though I think these are less common in the humanities). I imagine it would be possible for people to individually post their reviews on their own sites and then someone could come up with a way to crawl those pages and aggregate links to reviews in some more central location. Or people could post links back to their own reviews on a site set up to make it easy to link books with reviews. I&#8217;m sure there are other relatively simple alternative ways of doing this.</p>
<p>Second, book reviews, while not original in the scholarship sense, are original to the review author. You have the right to post your own content. I suspect the only way there would be a real potential problem is if you posted excerpts that were way beyond fair use.</p>
<p>The situation is different, and more difficult, when you get to posting images and transcriptions of sources. I suspect archivists would worry as much, possibly more, about the rights issue than the formatting/documentation issue in this case. Generally, copies you make in an archive &#8211; photocopies, photos, etc. &#8211; are supposed to be for your own research use. If they&#8217;re public domain, it may be ok to post them anyway. But a lot of stuff isn&#8217;t public domain and in many cases the archives are not the rightsholders and would not be able to grant you permission to post your copies online. Arguably, people are overly cautious about this kind of thing, but it&#8217;s a real concern.</p>
<p>That said, I do think there is potential for sharing information about collections even in the absence of being able to post images/transcriptions. Researchers could write up summaries of their individual source collections and refer back to the archives where the originals can be found. These could be like finding aids, but simplified and individualized to an extent. I think it is much less common for researchers to do that as a routine part of their workflow, but I think it would be a very useful thing to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Blevins</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cameron Blevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Kathleen! I really enjoyed your paper and think I must have sub-consciously internalized its title at some point...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kathleen! I really enjoyed your paper and think I must have sub-consciously internalized its title at some point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bmschmidt</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bmschmidt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For sure, and the cultural barriers to sharing are I think much greater than the technical ones to making shared content accessible. So it&#039;s definitely OK--and probably necessary--that we go a few years before figuring out just how to make things discoverable/preservable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure, and the cultural barriers to sharing are I think much greater than the technical ones to making shared content accessible. So it&#8217;s definitely OK&#8211;and probably necessary&#8211;that we go a few years before figuring out just how to make things discoverable/preservable.</p>
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		<title>By: kfitz</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-923</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Cameron. Great post - I really love this call for sharing. In the spirit of &quot;great minds think alike,&quot; I offer you a paper I gave at the MLA in January, a version of which is forthcoming in the Journal of Scholarly Publishing: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/blog/giving-it-away/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Giving It Away: The Future of Scholarly Communication.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Cameron. Great post &#8211; I really love this call for sharing. In the spirit of &#8220;great minds think alike,&#8221; I offer you a paper I gave at the MLA in January, a version of which is forthcoming in the Journal of Scholarly Publishing: <a href="http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/blog/giving-it-away/" rel="nofollow">Giving It Away: The Future of Scholarly Communication.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Blevins</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cameron Blevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben,

Great points. I agree that archivists are absolutely right to shudder at formatting concerns and I think the ephemerality of this kind of indexing is particularly worrying - for instance, what happens if I let my domain registration lapse in a couple of years? Unfortunately, I just can&#039;t see too many academics putting in the time to get it right unless there is some centralized, incredibly low-barrier repository to dump things into (equally problematic). From a pragmatic standpoint I would rather see people getting into the habit of making things available than not, even if it&#039;s done poorly. 

-Cameron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Great points. I agree that archivists are absolutely right to shudder at formatting concerns and I think the ephemerality of this kind of indexing is particularly worrying &#8211; for instance, what happens if I let my domain registration lapse in a couple of years? Unfortunately, I just can&#8217;t see too many academics putting in the time to get it right unless there is some centralized, incredibly low-barrier repository to dump things into (equally problematic). From a pragmatic standpoint I would rather see people getting into the habit of making things available than not, even if it&#8217;s done poorly. </p>
<p>-Cameron</p>
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		<title>By: bmschmidt</title>
		<link>http://historying.org/2012/03/19/giving-it-away/#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bmschmidt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this. A great example of how much useful stuff we all produce that couldn&#039;t be published in any traditional forms.

A single online repository is probably impractical. (Although really, if it only included text, something could probably get thrown together at a THATcamp).

I do wonder if the archivists would be right to shudder at the &#039;poorly formatted&#039; nature; putting stuff online to be indexed just by Google is a little weird. Probably we should be changing citation patterns to include some sort of unique identifier (LCCN, I guess) with each of those books--then they could get spun back into the body of scholarship in all sorts of ways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this. A great example of how much useful stuff we all produce that couldn&#8217;t be published in any traditional forms.</p>
<p>A single online repository is probably impractical. (Although really, if it only included text, something could probably get thrown together at a THATcamp).</p>
<p>I do wonder if the archivists would be right to shudder at the &#8216;poorly formatted&#8217; nature; putting stuff online to be indexed just by Google is a little weird. Probably we should be changing citation patterns to include some sort of unique identifier (LCCN, I guess) with each of those books&#8211;then they could get spun back into the body of scholarship in all sorts of ways.</p>
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